Once upon a time, about 7 years ago, I have written down a trinity of papers on the structure of the matter, creation and the synthesis of major religions.

The papers are reachable via the following link: "groups.yahoo.com/group/PCDesEg/files/"

The names of the relevant files are;

1. Pap2.doc: It is about the structure of the matter, which , to me, sets restrictions on the adjectives of a possible Creator.
2. Pap3.doc : It is about the Hugens's Constucion.
3 Synth.doc: It is abou the syntesis of the major relgions.

I could not add the files to this site but they are rachable anyway.
In the meanwhile I have gathered many supporting facts but I would like to introduce these papers to this community without adding anything.

We can later discuss if you show interest.

I would like to hear your thoghts on this trinity and certainly appreciate them.

ismail

The usual protocol is to present your ideas here, in the forum, using linked material only as supplements or for further reading.

How does the structure of matter put a restriction on what sort of God can have created it? Surely the substance of your theory can be put into a couple paragraphs? (It's also customary to start each thread with a single issue.)

Thans for your directing answer.
I do think the Universe is infinite and an infinity can nor be created from inside. Then it can not be creation.
It can not be created from the outsisei because no outside can exists.
But I do see taht I exist. Means that matter, somthing different than vacuum exists.

That way I do exclude Theism and Deism.

I do adopt the view of Democritus and claim very tiny spherse of infinite hardness builds up the matter.
Vacuum is full of such spheres moving with the speed of light randomly in every direction.

I do try to get the Huygens's construction unjder my assumptions.
Cann not construct any structered particles in this vacuum but I claim stable structures can exist in this vacuum.

For the possibility of a kind of Pantheistic God I say possible and I refer to some verses from the Quran like as Sajdah 5. This verse says that the God is 1000 light yera away.
There, taking one specific direction, I see the belt stars of Orion.
I do refer to Al-Imran 133. This verse says the diameter of the heaven is the same with its distance to Earth. For Orion , thinking as an ellipsoid, this claim may be true in Earth-Orion line.
I know that Orion comes from Uri-Anna which means heavenly light.
I know that Peter L. Mesurier has calaimed the Orion to be the heaven.

So I try to conclude that thre may exist a local Craetor in Orion. The first Intelligent body tha cereated other intelligent bodies.

And te references are there. Fpr any questiosn I am at your service.

very truely yours,
ismail

This question has been with us since our earliest ancestors had enough cognition to ask it.I began wondering about the existence of a creator at a very early age.Gazing a stars in the night sky has always made me wonder.Looking at my own hand, or watching my children growing and learning,or studying biology,almost everything initiates this long pause,as I try to process everything I know and have experienced in my own life,to try to arrive at some final answer.
The sheer complexity and diversity of life on this planet Earth certainly leads me to believe that this is not some result of random collisions over time.There is some intelligent force at work within the universe which guides,directs,and controls all of matter and energy through the course of time,to create the stars and planets from matter and energy,to combine molecules and chemicals which form the simple one celled plants and animals.From these the plant and animal kingdom emerge and diversify into a nearly infinite array of adaptations to cover every area of this Earth,from deep sea volcanic vents to the highest peaks of the Himalayan Mountains.The complex equations for photosynthesis,respiration,the cellular structures such as mitochondria,the RNA and of course,the master molecule,DNA,are all convincing evidence of intelligent design and creation.
If I look into the complexity of sub atomic physics which is being slowly unraveled by physicists with huge,complex instruments like the Large Hadron Collider,once again there is an elegance to the mathematical equations and particles which is yet more evidence of intelligent design and creation.And when I see the photos of our expanding universe taken by the Hubble Space Telescope,and realize that there are billions of stars in our galaxy,and that there are billions of galaxies in the universe,and discover the mind bending complexities of the equations describing the instant before and after the big bang,the evidence of intelligent design and creation is,to say the least,obvious.
This intelligent,creative force uses mathematics as it's language,and matter and energy as it's supplies to build with.Time is part of the equation,and space is the blank canvass which is filled with the art of this creative force.Our sciences and mathematics are just human devices which we have invented to discover how this creator has fashioned this existence.What has pleased me over the years is observing how it seems that the deeper we probe into the way everything works,the more complex and intricate it all gets,so that we seem to uncover layer after layer of exquisite complexity and function,which is absolutely beautiful in it's perfection.
This Creator is beyond time and space,yet exists within each particle of matter and all forms of energy.It is still at work throughout the universe and evolution proceeds,although at such a slow pace with reference to human time that we cannot see it or measure it.We can only find the evidence of it in the fossil records and the geological layers of the primordial Earth.The level of intelligence which has created this universe is beyond our ability to comprehend.It seems removed from it's creations,as though once the art has been set in motion,there is no longer any interest in individual creations.There is an apparent indifference on a cosmic scale,that once these creations are set in motion,there is a certain mechanistic effect,as though the clock-like precision will run unattended,while the mind that created it continues to occupy itself with infinity.
One question which I will perhaps never know the answer to,is whether this Creator has a plan.Is there some ultimate purpose for all of this,or is this creative intelligence a force of the universe will no conscious will of it's own,other than to endlessly create the universe and the other dimensions and possible parallel universes which we are just now beginning to theorize.Is it a force,like the strong force and the weak force,which has no choice,other than to create?
My religious mother introduced me to Christianity early in my childhood.The Christian teachings had me envisioning a Creator God with long white hair and a long white beard,in flowing robes,sitting in his throne in heaven,directing the daily lives of men and women on the Earth,and sending his angels as emissaries to deliver messages and guidance,so that we would follow his will,and help him as co-creators to bring his plan for the universe to fruition.Christianity has led me to pray to Jesus Christ to save me from eternal damnation,and that by believing in Jesus as the son of God,that my soul will go to heaven,where I will sing praises to Christ and God,and the Holy Spirit,for eternity.It is difficult for me sometimes to think in such cold analytical ways without feeling that I am committing heresy,or being blasphemous.But,on the other hand,I believe that God gave us,or rather created within us,these minds which are designed to ask questions,take things apart,examine this universe ,and try to discover the ultimate truth of it.
Yes,there is a Creator which exists in the Universe.All you have to do is look around you at the incredible ,intelligent,design of the life on this planet.The planet itself,the Sun,moon,stars,galaxies,and the forces of gravity, and time and space,and you will see that this was no accident.Randomness does occur,but the absolute precision of cellular structure and bio-chemical electrical exchanges across the synapses of the human brain which give us consciousness and thought,is not the result of atoms combining in random order over billions of years.The symphony of cells which have used the instructions encoded in the DNA of a Blue Whale to organize themselves into one of the most enormous,yet graceful,and highly intelligent creatures on this planet is most certainly not an act of randomness.There is intelligent design and purpose everywhere we look.This evidence strongly suggests,if not proves,the existence of a Creator with intelligence beyond our comprehension.

isoger1 wrote:
On the existence of a Creator
If by 'Creator' you are referring to some 'god' who actually creates/makes something other than 'self' (an absurd notion!), then no, a Creator cannot exist!

If existence is a 'creation' (and I am not saying that the common assumption is true), then existence/the Universe exists 'within' the 'Creator'. The 'Creator', logically, cannot be it's own creation.

Also, as the 'god/Consciousness/whatever...' is ineffable, has no boundaries, no features, no limitations, no qualities, is a perfect symmetry, ever unchanging and unchangeable, etc... (as I said, ineffable) then there can be nothing else but that 'god/Consciousness'. There can be no 'seperate creation' from that 'Consciousness/Mind, so the notion of a 'Creator' in that context cannot exist.
Thus, a 'Creator' cannot exist.

Furthermore, anything that you put in the blank; 'God is _______' is considered, in religious terms, idolatry. 'Consciousness/Mind has no context!
All that exists has/is contextual.
That which exists can only exist by 'our' perception. Nothing exists that is not perceived by Conscious Perspective (= Souls = us).
A 'Creator' is not/cannot be perceived (but can be 'believed') and thus, cannot 'exist'.
We are perceivers. There is nothing (other than vanity/pride) in 'creation' that (believes itself) is a creator (the 'sin' of pride).
The Universe, "Creation", is perceived Mind; no-thing is 'created' external to (a 'god') Consciousness.

("Consciousness is the Ground of all Being!" - Copenhagen interpretation of QM
Science has finally 'found' God/Consciousness/Mind!)

<strong>namelesss wrote:</strong>
isoger1 wrote:
On the existence of a Creator
If by 'Creator' you are referring to some 'god' who actually creates/makes something other than 'self' (an absurd notion!), then no, a Creator cannot exist!

If existence is a 'creation' (and I am not saying that the common assumption is true), then existence/the Universe exists 'within' the 'Creator'. The 'Creator', logically, cannot be it's own creation.

Also, as the 'god/Consciousness/whatever...' is ineffable, has no boundaries, no features, no limitations, no qualities, is a perfect symmetry, ever unchanging and unchangeable, etc... (as I said, ineffable) then there can be nothing else but that 'god/Consciousness'. There can be no 'seperate creation' from that 'Consciousness/Mind, so the notion of a 'Creator' in that context cannot exist.
Thus, a 'Creator' cannot exist.

Furthermore, anything that you put in the blank; 'God is _______' is considered, in religious terms, idolatry. 'Consciousness/Mind has no context!
All that exists has/is contextual.
That which exists can only exist by 'our' perception. Nothing exists that is not perceived by Conscious Perspective (= Souls = us).
A 'Creator' is not/cannot be perceived (but can be 'believed') and thus, cannot 'exist'.
We are perceivers. There is nothing (other than vanity/pride) in 'creation' that (believes itself) is a creator (the 'sin' of pride).
The Universe, "Creation", is perceived Mind; no-thing is 'created' external to (a 'god') Consciousness.

("Consciousness is the Ground of all Being!" - Copenhagen interpretation of QM
Science has finally 'found' God/Consciousness/Mind!)

There are some Zen and Taoist teachings which boil down to something similar to what nameless is saying:That the universe and the Creator are one.There is no separation,no boundary,and thus no distinction can be made due to the unity of everything,therefore no Creator/creation.Only we humans have "constructed" a perceptual viewpoint which divides reality causing "duality",which is a false construct.Our human vanity and pride are the sins (errors of thought)which have caused us to "fall from grace"(separate our consciousness from the God/Consciousness/Mind)and continually try to "find,or discover" an external being which has caused the universe to exist.


The reality is that the universe is just exactly that:"one word".There is no division,no separation,no category.Yet it is interesting how we have managed to so completely separate ourselves mentally,spiritually,and physically from this obvious inherent unity.How our species has so completely convinced itself of linear time and our perception of our distinct and separate nature.So complete is this "illusion" that only a few have ever achieved true enlightenment and shifted their consciousness so that they no longer perceived anything but unity,oneness,that everything is one universal being,there is no outside,no separation,seamless infinity.