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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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leonardomenderes wrote:
OK, so Bible God is either malicious or negligent,
or both. That actually diminishes the chance that
God is not omnipotent, though. It is an excuse for
what happens that does not need a failure in omnipotent.
We don't have evidence so say, I say.
Evidence is a bad word when speaking of God.
None has ever been found or shown.
Regards
DL
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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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I think that leaves you as inconclusive
re: the OP.
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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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Greatest I am wrote:
leonardomenderes wrote:
You assume that omnipotence equals omni-action.
It is possible to be omnipotent, but not willing to act
(in a certain case), or unaware of that case.
To be certain of intervention, an 'omni' God must be:
1) all-powerful (omnipotent)
2) all-knowing (omniscient)
3) all-caring
4) all-willing (to act)
A Gos who is all 4 has removed all free will
from everything and everyone.
I suggest: non willing to act (further, after universe creation)
fits the solid evidence.
Bible God has no respect for man's free will. It is irrelevant to Him.
He ignored it enough times in the O T when He murdered humans by the millions.
They all had the free will to live. Especially the children and babies.
Free will is irrelevant to God.
Regards
DL
You don't understand the meaning of free will. Killing someone isn't taking away their free will (inasmuch as it is taking away their life), but controlling their minds and having them kill themselves would be.
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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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JK713 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
leonardomenderes wrote:
You assume that omnipotence equals omni-action.
It is possible to be omnipotent, but not willing to act
(in a certain case), or unaware of that case.
To be certain of intervention, an 'omni' God must be:
1) all-powerful (omnipotent)
2) all-knowing (omniscient)
3) all-caring
4) all-willing (to act)
A Gos who is all 4 has removed all free will
from everything and everyone.
I suggest: non willing to act (further, after universe creation)
fits the solid evidence.
Bible God has no respect for man's free will. It is irrelevant to Him.
He ignored it enough times in the O T when He murdered humans by the millions.
They all had the free will to live. Especially the children and babies.
Free will is irrelevant to God.
Regards
DL
You don't understand the meaning of free will. Killing someone isn't taking away their free will (inasmuch as it is taking away their life), but controlling their minds and having them kill themselves would be.
I would explain It, the determinism of the light of knowing the future for the consequences of the Free Will. Free WIll matters to God for the situation of the slave: It does not matter to God for the master. The master's Ego is that of the slave for the time being; whereas, the Slave's is of God for eternity. God's ego is only to Himself. God is Love; therefore, the love is without ego as far as I can improve love ,
Love is inferred; ego is deduced. Free will is: (?) devil may care to the master; I may care to the Slave.
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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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Plotin wrote:
JK713 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
leonardomenderes wrote:
You assume that omnipotence equals omni-action.
It is possible to be omnipotent, but not willing to act
(in a certain case), or unaware of that case.
To be certain of intervention, an 'omni' God must be:
1) all-powerful (omnipotent)
2) all-knowing (omniscient)
3) all-caring
4) all-willing (to act)
A Gos who is all 4 has removed all free will
from everything and everyone.
I suggest: non willing to act (further, after universe creation)
fits the solid evidence.
Bible God has no respect for man's free will. It is irrelevant to Him.
He ignored it enough times in the O T when He murdered humans by the millions.
They all had the free will to live. Especially the children and babies.
Free will is irrelevant to God.
Regards
DL
You don't understand the meaning of free will. Killing someone isn't taking away their free will (inasmuch as it is taking away their life), but controlling their minds and having them kill themselves would be.
I would explain It, the determinism of the light of knowing the future for the consequences of the Free Will. Free WIll matters to God for the situation of the slave: It does not matter to God for the master. The master's Ego is that of the slave for the time being; whereas, the Slave's is of God for eternity. God's ego is only to Himself. God is Love; therefore, the love is without ego as far as I can improve love ,
Love is inferred; ego is deduced. Free will is: (?) devil may care to the master; I may care to the Slave.
You're basing your whole argument on the God/Man = Slave/Master relationship. I can argue on a premise that I've made up myself also. Apples are really blue. I don't like blue things. Therefore, I don't like appples. The logic is sound, but because I made up my own premise, it doesn't make practical sense.
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Re:God being Omnipotent is impossible. 1 Year, 10 Months ago
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Well, thanks for elevating the discussion anyhow, JK713.!
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