Ah thank you for the link.

It seems tho that we don't share the same understanding of the term vacuum. To me, a vacuum is an area or space of absolute emptiness, where there are no objects, particles or anything.

Now, whether a vacuum can even actually exist, I don't know. Reason I'm saying this is because we're only now seeing quarks, supposedly the smallest particles at this point. But, what if there were much smaller particles than this? Can we say with absolute certainty that there aren't? Or that we can and have created artificial vacuums that are free from even the absolute smallest particles?

In other words, if a scientist says he's created a vacuum and that he was able to see reactions or occurrences within the vacuum, then isn't it more likely that there were particles, undetected particles, in the so-called vacuum? And if so, wouldn't that imply that it wasn't actually a vacuum per se?

Again though, I'm no scientist and I really don't know what's the latest in that field and so, I could be wrong.

Anyway, I think by now you can tell that I don't believe in something arising from "nothing." Now, whether something can Arise from "seemingly" nothing, that's more likely in my opinion.

lorsban wrote:
[quote]Ah thank you for the link.

Reason I'm saying this is because we're only now seeing quarks,
supposedly the smallest particles at this point. But, what if
there were much smaller particles than this?

In other words, if a scientist says he's created a vacuum
and that he was able to see reactions or occurrences within
the vacuum, then isn't it more likely that there were
particles, undetected particles, in the so-called vacuum?

I'm no scientist
quote]

1.
the smallest particles which have electric charge and
can work in our material world are electrons.
So called 'quark theory' is an abstract hypothesis.
Question: Where do quarks come from?
Answer: They only come from scientists brains.
Nobody can see or test quarks.
' Quark theory' is only mathematical play.
P.S.
‘ Since the mathematical physicists have taken over,
theoretical physics has gone to pot.
The bizarre concepts generated out of the over use and
misinterpretation of mathematics would be funny if it were not
for the tragedy of the waste in time, manpower, money,
and the resulting misdirection.’
/ Richard Feynman./
2
The ' undetected particles' scientists call ' virtual particles'.
3
I'm no scientist.
I am a peasant who tries to think logical and who knows
that 1+1=2 and ab=ba.
And if Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says that ab
isn’t equal to ba, I now that ' this is song from another opera'.
===.
P. S.
Just this month Daniel Shechtman won the 2011 Nobel Prize
in chemistry for quasi crystals, having spent much of his career
being vilified and exiled as a crank
“I was thrown out of my research group.
They said I brought shame on them with what I was saying.”
#
" Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts",
/ Richard Feynman. /
#
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
/ Lewis Carroll.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. /
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Best wishes.
Socratus.

A vacuum might have dark matter.

It might not have dark matter.

Dark matter does NOT follow a lack of our matter.


You cannot say our vacuum is full or empty
of energy or matter. That's magical thinking.
It is not logical thinking.

To: OP

Mr. socrat,

You seem to have an agenda with this vacuum stuff. Would you mind letting us know so we can speak to the issue at hand rather than these shadows you are posting?

I do not see much about "Bible stories" in this thread.

If you want to talk about Bible stories, how's this? God created plants before He created the Sun according to Genesis 1.

leonardomenderes wrote:
Not familiar with the
scientific theory of "hanging upon".

Ditto.