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kowalskil

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A puzzling claim 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago

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Some of you might be interested in an article that I have just posted. The link is:

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It is an entry in a writing contest. Please post your comments at their website. Please evaluate this short article; it was written with general public in mind. Feel free to forward this message to anyone who might be interested.

Thank you in advance,

Ludwik

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leonardomenderes

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It runs on hydrogen, nickel (a potent catalyst),
and a "secret catlyzer", which is probaly the
actual oxidizer. Despite the obvious dark
curtain the prevents validation in any
meaningful way, the process is shot down
before it even makes it to the unit, because:

hydrogen requires enrgy to make.

There have been many claims to produce
"limitless" and "clean" energy with hydrogen.
That means nothing because the enrgy to make
hydrogen comes from something else.

Even methane at least has a know source.
Hydrogen doesn't.
Is water a source of hydrogen?
Not really: water plus electrical energy
makes hydrogen.

A "source" is not a source here.
Hydrogen is only a transmission modality.

I'm not going to their site to play the
straight man in an argumentum-ad-infinitum
game. It must be proven to add up in a wholisitc
sense, and it won't unless the hydrogen is proven
to be available with no energy use.

It isn't.

Can they demonstrate the the energy used to
make the hydrogen is less than what you get out?
I don't think so. The proper whole-cost energy
accounting is not evident. Producing hydrogen for
less energy than it yields is a far bigger trick
than one of dozens of enegy cell designs that
already can use hydrogen.

Here's a proper test:

---A closed building with electricity in
and electricity out is measured for actual gain.
Any and all hydrogen must be made inside.
The "secret catlyzer" must be proven to be
completely unaltered or totally regenerated
by the process in the building after the trial.

Ignoring the "secret catalyzer's" life and ignoring
the hydrogen-making cost makes this scheme even
less amazing than others. I'm not puzzled.

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leonardomenderes

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Aha...in the base article: newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3623rf-celani.shtml ...the "Input Energy" does not include the hydrogen (incredibly). A gasoline motor works similar miracles. If you do not count the gasoline as part of the input enegry, it spectacularly multiplies the energy of the alternator. Technical illiteracy is frightening sometimes.

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kowalskil

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They were aware of this possibility. That is the amount of hydrogen consumed was reported. It was less than 1% of what would be needed to generate the measured amount of excess energy. Ludwik Kowalski .

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leonardomenderes

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kowalskil wrote:
They were aware of this possibility. That is the amount of hydrogen consumed was reported. It was less than 1% of what would be needed to generate the measured amount of excess energy.

Ludwik Kowalski
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Their figures do not show that.
Your "less than 1%" doesn't jibe with the multiplication
they claim (lower) either. Hydrogen takes a considerable
amount of energy to actually produce.

We are left with a fuel cell among many fuel cells.

It doesn't really matter what I say, but you
might want to consider due diligence for
your own posterity.

....I just checked again...
hydrogen is "added continuously"..
and its energy content is not accounted for.
The 'input' is 500W-700W....inly the heaters and
pump.

Hydrogen has 61,000 BTU per pound of energy.
Therein lies the miracle: omission.

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