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Perhaps "living a lie" fits together well if we consider a person is divided against
him/herself, and one part is deceiving the other to get by. That works very well
for the way people use the phrase in addiction recovery, or with people who
finally "come out with their gender inclinations, or who have some secret
career fraud, etc...
The notion of a person having two parts may help
settle that usage.....perhaps.
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Yes: a lie is an untruth, knowingly told to deceive.
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You don't necessarily need to "know" that your lying to be a liar. Ok, I agree that the unconscious world is still a form of consciousness, but it still remains unknown to the individual. Lies that are conscious are nothing to me, just a silly person doing something silly mainly because of fear. What I detest are those who unknowingly lie, lying about happiness with their wretched partner or friends, lying about the purpose of their existence.
I really connected with the book/movie "In the Wild" - his whole intention was to sincerely connect with truth, something he felt only possible with nature.
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But the dictionary, legal, and philosophical definitions
all seem to need intention. It's just a convention.
What I detest are those who unknowingly lie, lying about happiness with their wretched partner or friends, lying about the purpose of their existence.
I see a forceful putting forward of an untruth, yes...
but if they don't know.....???
I think you are talking about delusion. The overly-assured nature
of the deluded does make me think there is a subconscious intent
to self-deceive, though. Someone 'decides how they will feel'.
I detest 'deciding how others will feel' even more. The clerk
at the big-box store who says "have a nice day". It's an insult to
them, in their usually harsh life, to wish me a vaguely nice day.
It's an insult to me that I should be all cheery that the downtrodden
rubber-stamped a nice day on me. The biggest insult is that I am
supposed to be grateful to the store for this groveling and forced mood.
How does this relate? It is an institutional lie by convention, and it
plays havoc on my sincere wishes that someone actually have
a good time of it.
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This has given me insight into what I think could be a pretty useful practice when thinking philosophically.... and that is to avoid using the word in question as much as possible while instead expressing the exact meaning you wish to convey with that word, in its place.
Put another way, since a word means different things depending on the context, then instead of using the same word in different contexts, use more words to express what you are getting at.
For example, when you say, "X is not quite a lie."
Instead define 'lie' in that sentence.
"X is not quite an intentional deception."
Or "X is not quite an intentionally deceptive statement"
Or "X is not quite an intentionally deceptive verbal statement"
Your statements will be clear to the point of obviousness, to the point of there being no fogginess left to admit room for question:
eg; "Being semi-consciously deceptive in general, is not quite the same as being fully consciously deceptive with verbal statements alone. And when I think of the concept 'lie', I primarily think of instances of the latter, which I think is the most common meaning others wish to convey by use of that word in that type of context. That is, when someone uses that word in that type of context, they are usually using it in the sense of definition 1."
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Notice how people bend the meanings of words a lot
when making Philosophical arguments. I mean, not just here,
but even the 'greats'.
As a follow-up to you theme of 'avoidance':
I really appreciate the use of special words
and terms to convey a concept. The Philosopher can
labor to define that nit without being at odds to the
dictionary. "Categorical Imperative" and "Dasein" are
two favorites. People may argue about their meaning,
but the body of defining work is usually small, and there
is not jerking around the world going on to project
judgements into realms that don't really share the
definition.
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Sometimes philosophers are criticized for using their own definitions, but maybe the herds definitions are lazy.
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