I think suicide really is the most logical answer. Everything else just seems to be avoidance of death. Name one life ambition that isn't an attempt at immortality. Death is the only immortality...that which takes you beyond space and time.

Or am I wrong? I'm tired of being this person I take myself to be. I don't necessarily want to jump off a cliff, hang myself, or eat poison. I want to die to myself. I want to stop completely.

I'm afraid of encouraging others to kill themselves. I think most are too cowardly anyway.
Whatever though.....tell me what your beliefs are about death, especially suicide... is it in any way wrong? Should one just live for the sake of living? Like, since death is a certainty, why not just live for a while before becoming nothing? It can't possibly do any bad. We all know what the ultimate end of everything is nothing.

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We don't know this. We don't know that even if we cease to be conscious when we die, we won't someday be resurrected or reincarnated or whatever.

If you don't feel like life is worth living, it has to be because you think life's value comes from something else (if it comes from something at all), some condition that's not being met. That's how I used to judge my life, and I still have a problem with doing this.

But think of the infinite things inside of yourself: your capacity for imagination, for experience, for knowledge, feeling. These might not be objectively infinite, but subjectively... They testify to an innate potential for life to have worth. For its own sake (as you suggest).

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In 2008, I was kicked out of college, my closest friend at the time virtually completely failed me, my computer with my life's work at the time on it was stolen and never recovered. It was possibly my lowest point. I had problems with feeling suicidal, but somehow, when it got to its lowest (the theft), instead of giving up, I ended up thinking to myself, "I have all the love and knowledge inside of me that I invested in my writing and in my work and my friends. Inside. I don't have to depend on forces outside my heart and mind to give my life meaning. If everything I believe about existentialism and constructivism and so on in ethics is true, then the grace and splendor of life depend on those things inside of me, too." While this resolution was imperfect, it's served me well enough since then, barring a substantial gap or corruption in my motivational set... But that's a narrative for another day or night.

We'll all be dead soon enough.

If you are absolutely sure life will always be a horror,
it might work to end it. However, life has ups and downs,
and you cannot presume to know how it will go.

As for afterlife, just as you have ideas from others
buzzing in your head, some your ideas might buzz
in other heads after you are gone, and lead to all
kinds of things. The 'ultimate goal of nothing'
is a very easy conclusion in any given moment,
but all things add up with time. If you could be
more somehow, it migh tbe worth the effort. If you
try and fail, couldn't you savor the drama of it?
...or savor the interesting things scattered in
this tsunami of junk. You have a lot of time to
toy around with...if you don't jump off it.

Death is the only immortality...t hat which takes you beyond space and time.


No, not really. Eternal non-existence as eternal existance?

Think about ideological immortality, since thoughts are
what's supposed to make us special. Buddha, Jesus,
Lao-Tzu, Plato....that type has some immortality.

It's always easier to question than to answer.
That leads to despair as a mind like yours
gets strong (as it is). Don't let that make you
immune to yourself, though. It's just the fire
that makes new things by burning the old.
Stick around.

I like this site, it is a whole load of near death experience accounts. Some of the accounts are amazing to read. I know it could all be bullshtt but I think for an expanded perspective on the possibilities of the afterlife and the meaning of our lives here it offers some interesting views, and heart-warming too.

www.near-death.com/

This is my personal favourite story...

www.near-death.com/andreason.html