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TimeLine wrote:


Aside from your self-serving drivel, why would individuals stop taking drugs if the effects were solely good? There are some who preach and pontificate to semi-moronic epsilons because they fail to read the literature on the atrocious side "effects" of substance abuse and yet seem to have the resilience to use dismal excuses like “those who don't take drugs simply don't understand”.



Conversely, why would people start and continue taking drugs if the effects were solely bad? Yes, I know there's a physical addiction that occurs from the ingestion of certain drugs, but in the case of marijuana, it has been medically proven to have no physically addictive qualities. Psychologically of course, anything can become an addiction, from smoking pot to collecting coins. The "fitting-in" conclusion is of course substantive in many cases, but not all. Many people take drugs simply because they like how it makes them feel. Of course there's negative side effects, but that seems to be the case with just about everything these days. I'd like to see a study done on proportionally how many people die from heart disease out of a group that eat hot dogs on a regular basis, as compared to how many people die from marijuana-related deaths in a group that smoke on a regular basis. The research is there for how bad trans-fats, alcohol, cigarettes, spending too much time in the sun, even a strictly vegan diet can be for the human animal, and yet people continue to engage in these behaviors. Everyone, and I mean everyone, engages in some sort of activity that is bad for them. What makes taking drugs (by which I mean marijuana, by far the most widely used "illegal" drug) worse than eating a steak or tanning in your backyard? Both sacrifice long-term health benefits for short-term enjoyment. I'm not trying to be combative, but rather I'm interested in why certain physically harmful behaviors are accepted or even celebrated, while others are considered detestable.

JK713 wrote:


Conversely, why would people start and continue taking drugs if the effects were solely bad?

They aren't solely good or solely bad.


Of course there's negative side effects, but that seems to be the case with just about everything these days. I'd like to see a study done on proportionally how many people die from heart disease out of a group that eat hot dogs on a regular basis, as compared to how many people die from marijuana-related deaths in a group that smoke on a regular basis.

Hardly anybody dies just from using cannabis. But lots of people smoke it with tobacco.

What makes taking drugs (by which I mean marijuana, by far the most widely used "illegal" drug) worse than eating a steak or tanning in your backyard?

You're trying to find a logical or medical reason. But the "worse" here is a moral judgement, and like any moral judgement it is a matter of preference and social convention, there's no underlying objective or factual rationale. In some societies alcohol is seen as demonic, and cannabis is not so bad.

I'm not trying to be combative, but rather I'm interested in why certain physically harmful behaviors are accepted or even celebrated, while others are considered detestable.

Personal preference and societal convention.

Szavieur wrote:Doesn't something with the distorting effect on consciousness that drugs can have mean as much as, if not more, philosophically, than, say, money or resources or whatever it is economics has to do with?

Things that appear in your head but not in reality are problematic. Without drugs, we call it insanity.

Conservationist wrote:
Szavieur wrote:Doesn't something with the distorting effect on consciousness that drugs can have mean as much as, if not more, philosophically, than, say, money or resources or whatever it is economics has to do with?

Things that appear in your head but not in reality are problematic. Without drugs, we call it insanity.

I can think of a dozen philosophers off the top of my head, that would argue just the opposite.

I didn't find Huxley's statements about our minds becoming clouded to be unduly romanticising or new-agey.

And he is clear that you won't unlock a "truth" by ingesting substances. And the substances in question are the psychedelics.
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