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Re: Aesthetics and Ethics 2 Years, 6 Months ago
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(nudges LJ)
Hey, remember this one? :-D
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Re: Aesthetics and Ethics 2 Years, 6 Months ago
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The explanation of the diagram helps quite a bit. Thanks.
Whitehead argues in RELIGION and more forcefully in PROCESS AND REALITY that all measure of order is a measure of aesthetic consistency. And so to the degree that any valuation is a description of a certain kind of ordering, it is a measure of aesthetic consistency.
OK, but if I were going to get on board with that I'd need a clearer conception of 'aesthetic consistency'. That's a term into which a great deal could be packed.
Can you maybe spell out what you (and Whitehead) mean by 'aesthetic consistency' a little bit more? I'd like to get clear on it so I can get a better handle on what you're proposing as to the larger question in this thread.
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It extends from Whitehead's panpsychism. The world is made up of free-willed actual occasions, all 'things' are throbs of zest, of self-creativity, everything tries to be 'the most me' I can be, a self-expressive, something, everything is an artist, painting itself. Now Whitehead looks at that universe and asks how does a universe of self-creative things add up to harmonious wholes. Why do the little organisms add up to big organisms (hence 'philosophy of organism')? Where do the broad laws and consistencies we see in the universe come from, the regularities?...are the questions. So order in the broadest sense is the bringing together of many acts of self-creation. The universe is like a jazz band, each playing a tune for itself, acting individually and playing kind of, OF itself, but also part of a larger group that together are playing their own tune. Studies of physical laws, etc, are studies of that larger tune. So all 'order' is the ordering of many 'aesthetic facts', a consistency among their actions. Hence the claim "all order is a measure of aesthetic consistency".
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"Spirit aint worth spit without a little exercise"- Clint Eastwood
"The great religious conceptions which haunt the imaginations of civilized mankind are scenes of solitariness: Prometheus chained to his rock, Mahomet brooding in the desert, the meditations of the Buddha, the solitary Man on the Cross. It belongs to the depth of the religious spirit to have felt forsaken, even by God." -Alfred N Whitehead
"He was one of Gods own prototypes: a high-powered mutant never even considered for mass- production. Too weird to live, too rare to die."- Hunter S. Thompson
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Re: Aesthetics and Ethics 2 Years, 6 Months ago
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"It extends from Whitehead's panpsychism. The world is made up of free-willed actual occasions, all 'things' are throbs of zest, of self- creativity, everything tries to be 'the most me' I can be, a self- expressive, something, everything is an artist, painting itself. "
uhhhh, are you implying that when two thugs bust into the old ladie's house {down the street} > loaded on crack and beat the shirt outta her and kill her wheelchair ridden husband: that this too , some harmonious act????????? a painting???? the most it can be ???
self expression?????? this sounds to me to be pure new age drivel
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Re: Aesthetics and Ethics 1 Year, 11 Months ago
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Colin Michael wrote:
Well, technically speaking, wouldn't aesthetic value be a contingent of one's ethics? It's not unethical to place higher value on something beautiful for aesthetic reasons, it's just opperating out of a different ethic. Kierkegaard's aesthetic sphere of life is a type of ethic in itself.
At this stage, this seems to be intuitively right for me. I think that experience shows us that there is certainly some kind of connection between the aesthetic and the ethical, the question which is really of interest is how exactly they are connected?
Right now I would be brave enough to argue (maybe foolishly), that our individual or personal ethical systems of judgment, can affect our ability to engage with, and to experience works of art (think for example a practicing Cathloic attemtping to engage with Serrano's Piss Christ). What this really ammounts to is up for debate, for theories which argue that ethically defective works of art are also aesthetically defective, to that extent (see Berys Gauts "Ethicism"), seem to forget the fact that what we find to be morally sound, or defective is likely to change drastically between individuals, social-groups, religions and cultures. What we need in this case, is an explanation of either what exactly "is" the right moral system to judge a work of art by, or to accept that a work of art can fluctuate in aesthetic value depending who is judging it. However, to me it seems intuitively wrong to think that a work of art can contain more aesthetic defects when my neighbour looks at it, than it does when I do.
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Re: Aesthetics and Ethics 1 Year, 11 Months ago
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But what is a MERE Art-object supposed to be, like the Black Stone in Mecca? It would seem that Hegel 'appreciated' IT's worth for the Artisan and concerned merchants throughout the Mediterranean world. There is permission for the artist to have a chance for it's and his talents. from the Creator to the Creature of the light. Such is the Image of the artistic with or without God.
WOW!! "However, to me it seems intuitively wrong to think that a work of art can contain more aesthetic defects when my neighbour looks at it, than it does when I do." Is that also someone like Salmon Rushdie?
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